I need some Oppoinions!

"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee) 10/05/2014 at 20:10 • Filed to: opponions

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"Lesser of two evils" edition - I've promised a friend that I'd teach them to drive stick. I have access to two manual vehicles, both of which are probably the worst possible cars to learn on, each for their own reasons. I need you guys to tell me which one to use!

First car: 6-cyl YJ Wrangler

Pros: great torque, so easy to launch and impossible to stall (It's basically driveable at idle)

Cons: Clutch weighs 7.395*10 6 lbs, Shift forks are messed up so takes extreme force to engage 1st and 3rd gear

Second car: 4-cyl YJ Wrangler

Pros: light clutch, gearbox works properly

Cons: High stall RPM, clutch bite point not well defined, no synchro in 3rd. Also no speedo.

Blondude > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:12

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Numero uno seems best.

Dsscats > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:14

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I'd go with the first.

revrseat70 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:15

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Go with the red one. The hardest part of learning stick is clutch engagement point finesse imo and stalling can be traumatizing for first timers. Eventually have them learn on both. Just start with the red one.

DasWauto > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:16

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Why not both? Use #1 to teach them about clutch bite point and getting the car moving to eliminate the fear of stalling, then move on to #2 to get some shifting done.

My citroen won't start > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:20

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6 cyl.

dogisbadob > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:23

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The red I6

dogisbadob > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:24

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ooo a harlequin

dogisbadob > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:24

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can't he learn on one of these two? :p

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > dogisbadob 10/05/2014 at 20:26

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More like rust-lequin.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > dogisbadob 10/05/2014 at 20:35

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Sweet Trav > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/05/2014 at 20:51

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Use the torque of the inline six. The TJ in my yard you just put in first and slowly lift off the clutch, perfect way to show clutch engagement point.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Sweet Trav 10/05/2014 at 21:06

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You can do the same thing in ours... in 2nd

Jobjoris > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/06/2014 at 05:36

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I would suggest the second one. Torque is easier to get things going, of course, but explaining what happens theoretically is way easier with that 4-cylinder and a few stalls. And double-(de-)clutching for 3rd: This is by far the best learning tool around!